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I hate to send this question to a dev list .. but I am not sure where
else to ask.

I have my infobot up and online.  It joins the channel and server that I
specified.
There are pointers to the directories and it looks to be finding the
files.

Version: infobot-0.44.3


The trouble is getting it to recognize myself.  There is an entry in the
infobot.users file.
The only entry is myself

UserEntry justme {
        name "Pretends to Know";
        title "maker, blame her";
        flags +OftrmscSope;
        pass openupwide;
        mask *!*just@djgc0usy591c.ab.hsia.telus.net;
}


I have tried /m botnick login openupwide
                 /m botnick ident openupwide

It does not react to anything that would be a part of it's
functionality..
Learning, opping.. etc

I have gone through the webpages looking for the answers and asked
online.  But unfortuntately have not gotten any answers.

If someone can point me to a resource I would be happy to use it..

TIA

Kim

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On Sun 27-Aug-2000 12:47p, K. Graham wrote:

KG> The trouble is getting it to recognize myself.  There is an entry in the
KG> infobot.users file.  The only entry is myself

KG> UserEntry justme {
KG>         name "Pretends to Know";
KG>         title "maker, blame her";
KG>         flags +OftrmscSope;
KG>         pass openupwide;
KG>         mask *!*just@djgc0usy591c.ab.hsia.telus.net;
KG> }

First, your password must be scrambled by using the "makepasswd" script in the
scripts directory.  You run it, type in your plaintext password, and it spits
back the garbage you enter for your password into the userfile.

KG> I have tried /m botnick login openupwide
KG>                  /m botnick ident openupwide

There is no "login" or "ident" command.  To get the infobot to op you in any
channels it has ops on, you 

  /msg botnick password op

KG> It does not react to anything that would be a part of it's
KG> functionality.. Learning, opping.. etc

If the bot isn't learning from anyone, even you, then chances are two things
are wrong;  #1, your hostmask in your userfile is wrong, and/or #2, you don't
have a default user record.

UserEntry default {
        flags  +trm;
}

That will allow anyone to teach, remove, and modify factoids.


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Has anyone come up for a solution for stuck infobots?

I hae never put mine on a cron because usually when he turns up missing, it's
because he's "stuck", thinking he was sitting on a server he'd long been
disconnected from.

The circumstances under which this disconnection occurs where he doesn't
notice, I'm not sure.. but would it be possible to somehow add a "pulse" in
the IRC routines, that would ping the server or something every few minutes to
see if it was still really there?  Is the reading from the socket a blocking
call with no timeout currently?


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Well, since #infobot got taken over many months ago, is there a new hang-out?
Or does anyone even care?

I'm not sure who this Pi8 asshole is or why he even wanted the channel in the
first place (there's just a few bots in it, none of them infobots, and it's
just been locked down.. invite only, and a real ingenous keyword of "infobot")

Anyway if anyone wants to migrate elsewhere on Efnet, I can offer up a couple
of eggdrops to help keep it that way, or there are certainly friendlier IRC
networks to be on where takeovers are not a problem.


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Bob Maple wrote:

> Well, since #infobot got taken over many months ago, is there a new hang-out?
> Or does anyone even care?
>
> I'm not sure who this Pi8 asshole is or why he even wanted the channel in the
> first place (there's just a few bots in it, none of them infobots, and it's
> just been locked down.. invite only, and a real ingenous keyword of "infobot")
>
> Anyway if anyone wants to migrate elsewhere on Efnet, I can offer up a couple
> of eggdrops to help keep it that way, or there are certainly friendlier IRC
> networks to be on where takeovers are not a problem.
>
>  :        Bob Maple          : A fanatic is one who can't change his mind  :
>  :   bmaple at burner.com    : and won't change the subject.               :
>  : www.dimensional.com/~bobm :                                             :

I used to run #infobot on Efnet but it was taken over twice (the first time I got
it back), both times by the same person (and his bots).  After the second time I
couldn't even ever get back into the channel and after a while I sort of gave
up...there weren't too many #infobot goers, just a few to chat about random
things and help out with infobot so it's not really a huge thing.  After that
I gave up on the channel and that was the end of it.  Not sure how many people
are going for another infobot channel on efnet...anyone interested?
-Sam [commport5]

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On Mon 11-Sep-2000  3:37p, Samy Kamkar [CommPort5] wrote:

S[> couldn't even ever get back into the channel and after a while I sort of
S[> gave up...there weren't too many #infobot goers, just a few to chat about
S[> random things and help out with infobot so it's not really a huge thing.
S[> After that I gave up on the channel and that was the end of it.
S[> Not sure how many people are going for another infobot channel on
S[> efnet...anyone interested?

Well I dropped a few people in #infobots (plural, although there is only one
infobot there, regurg) if anyone has any desire.

I was just curious as it was handy to chat and help with infobot issues now
and again.  I'm around strange hours, but can usually be found hacking on
regurg's brain on the weekends.


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I know I have looked for a place to ask questions.  Let me know where a
channel is set up.  It would be nice to be able to drop in and see if
anyone is alive :)


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If it's any help, I registered a channel on Undernet 2 years ago and
it's been running very happily ever since.  And survived one hack
attack :)  And of course, my infobot "auntsadie" is always there too
(say hello to her if you're on Undernet).  Happy to advise or whatever
if anyone wants a registered channel.


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I'm no perl expert so excuse me here.

Do sane files trample over factoids which already exist set?  I'm wondering,
because I added a bunch of stuff to my sane-is.txt file which gets loaded on
startup, so that some of my "helper" factoids can't be deleted (or if they do
will be restored the next time the bot comes up).

However, I just asked my bot about CAD, something that was defined in my sane
file, and it gave me a different response -- presumably one that was already
in the database.

So, I told him to forget it, and then killed/restarted him.  Upon asking him
again, I get "dunno".

I'm dumping my database right now to sift through it by hand and see if
something's goofy with it, but when the bot starts up, it claims to see all
130 sane entries and have added them (though it says "129/130 good items").

??


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Not sure what it is, I haven't had time to look it up yet, but the following
piece of text causes an EOF from client error in my 0.44.3 infobot.

(@MrHappy): MrTickle, etc - Elaine seems to think that she came across a
similar problem during testing - she'll try and come back to me with full
details

Might yet be one of my pieces of code, I don't know, but this is just an
initial one - any ideas?

-Russ 'RB6' Smith
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On 2000/09/21 15:02:19 +0100, Russ Smith wrote:

> Not sure what it is, I haven't had time to look it up yet, but the following
> piece of text causes an EOF from client error in my 0.44.3 infobot.

Would it be possible to prefix [infobot-dev] or somesuch to the subjects of 
messages from this list?

Every time I see "Bug report" I die a little inside.

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A quick question (I hope)...

Running on the following machine:

SunOS tardis.*** 5.5.1 Generic_103640-31 sun4u sparc

I get the following results:

(btw, perl Makefile.PL reported no problems)

tardis:~> make
cp Infobot/conf/none.config ./blib/lib/Infobot/conf/none.config
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Convert.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Server.3
/usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/bin/pod2man: Invalid man page - 1st pod line is
not NAME in Infobot/Server.pm
Couldn't install ./blib/man3/Infobot::Server.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Exchange.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Dict.3
/usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/bin/pod2man: Invalid man page - 1st pod line is
not NAME in Infobot/Module/Dict.pm
Couldn't install ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Dict.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::RDF.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Entity.3
/usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/bin/pod2man: bad option in paragraph 42 of
Infobot/Entity.pm: ``rset('parameter',$x,$y)'' should be
[LCI]<rset('parameter',$x,$y)>
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Math.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Whois.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Example.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Excuse.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::WServer.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Weather.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Extras.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::METAR.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Purldoc.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Nslookup.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Zippy.3
/usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/bin/pod2man: Invalid man page - 1st pod line is
not NAME in Infobot/Module/Zippy.pm
Couldn't install ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Zippy.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Zappa.3
/usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/bin/pod2man: Invalid man page - 1st pod line is
not NAME in Infobot/Module/Zappa.pm
Couldn't install ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Zappa.3
Manifying ./blib/man3/Infobot::Module::Insult.3
cp infobot ./blib/script/infobot

tardis:~> make test
PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/local/bin/perl -I./blib/arch -I./blib/lib
-I/usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/lib/perl5/sun4-solaris/5.003
-I/usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/lib/perl5 test.pl
1..2
Global symbol "code" requires explicit package name at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 23.
Global symbol "c" requires explicit package name at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 25.
Global symbol "callback" requires explicit package name at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 36.
Variable "$callback" is not imported at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 37.
Global symbol "callback" requires explicit package name at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 37.
Global symbol "call_code" requires explicit package name at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 38.
Variable "$callback" is not imported at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 41.
Global symbol "callback" requires explicit package name at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 41.
Global symbol "f" requires explicit package name at
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm line 48.
blib/lib/Infobot/Entity/Dispatcher.pm has too many errors.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at blib/lib/Infobot.pm line 12.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at test.pl line 11.
not ok 1
make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2

Can you see offhand if there's anything simple that I did/didn't do that
made this happen? 

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James P. Schmidt writes:

> /usr/local/pkg/perl-5.003/bin/pod2man: Invalid man page - 1st pod line is
                      ^^^^^
I'd upgrade your perl; this is is woefully out of date.

-- 
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Well, some script kiddies were terrorizing Efnet all weekend apprently (I'd
heard over some warez channels, and #C++) and as a result we sort of got
#Infobot back.

I've got some friends and bots parked in there, would be more than happy to
restore power to the "rightful owners", whomever that might be, or give ops to
the people who had them before (Comport is the only one I can really
remember).

There's a couple of bots, "wakko" and "burnout" who had the channel at one
point (again from the clutches of the Pi8* bots who had the channel totally
locked down for the past few months) but I'm not sure who they are or why
they'd want #infobot either - anyone know?  No one seems to be monitoring them
so perhaps they were setup by someone on the list as a "well maybe we'll get
it back" and then forgotten about.

Anyway, just wanted to post a note to anyone who drops in -- I'm not evil! :)



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Yeah, I was in there a lot before they came in.  I convinced them to open
it back up and they even shared it for a while, they orginally took it
over "because they could" and "before anyone else did".  They didn't even
know what the infobot was.  Essentially it's a bunch of kids getting
intoxicated on the power of irc wars.  As I remember the channel would
come and go with no real ops and very little traffic, and you are more
then welcome to it as far as I'm concerned.

Jay Jacobs
(teckle)


On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Bob Maple wrote:

> Well, some script kiddies were terrorizing Efnet all weekend apprently (I'd
> heard over some warez channels, and #C++) and as a result we sort of got
> #Infobot back.
> 
> I've got some friends and bots parked in there, would be more than happy to
> restore power to the "rightful owners", whomever that might be, or give ops to
> the people who had them before (Comport is the only one I can really
> remember).
> 
> There's a couple of bots, "wakko" and "burnout" who had the channel at one
> point (again from the clutches of the Pi8* bots who had the channel totally
> locked down for the past few months) but I'm not sure who they are or why
> they'd want #infobot either - anyone know?  No one seems to be monitoring them
> so perhaps they were setup by someone on the list as a "well maybe we'll get
> it back" and then forgotten about.
> 
> Anyway, just wanted to post a note to anyone who drops in -- I'm not evil! :)
> 
> 
> 
>  :        Bob Maple          : A fanatic is one who can't change his mind  :
>  :   bmaple at burner.com    : and won't change the subject.               :
>  : www.dimensional.com/~bobm :                                             :
> 
> 
> 

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On Tue 26-Sep-2000  8:18a, Jay Jacobs wrote:

JJ> Yeah, I was in there a lot before they came in.  I convinced them to open
JJ> it back up and they even shared it for a while, they orginally took it
JJ> over "because they could" and "before anyone else did".  They didn't even
JJ> know what the infobot was.  Essentially it's a bunch of kids getting
JJ> intoxicated on the power of irc wars.

This is what irritates me the most, is when these kids take over channels they
don't even know the first thing about.

Why should it be such a hassle for a bunch of people to get together and chat
about a common topic?  It's maddening.  I don't know how anyone can run an
Efnet server at all, with all the abuse of their resources that is occuring.

JJ> As I remember the channel would
JJ> come and go with no real ops and very little traffic, and you are more
JJ> then welcome to it as far as I'm concerned.

I was never that regular but would pop in from time to time and exchange
little hacks and help answer questions.  Even this weekend a few people came
in asking a couple of questions.

Anyway, I don't want to "take" the channel from anyone, it just seemed to me
like a semi-useful place to have open.  It just made me mad that someone would
close it down for no logical reason.



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wakko and burnout are mine.  Feel free to use them if you'd like.
I will be on EFnet this evening and will check in the channel to
see wasssssssssssup.  8^)

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Anyone know what's going on with the status of infobot?  I was just
looking at it looks like the /src/dev/ directory has been removed.  I sent
an email quite a while ago to Kevin Lenzo but never heard back.  But does
anyone know the status of the 0.49 (0.50?) version?

Jay

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\_ Anyone know what's going on with the status of infobot?  I was just
\_ looking at it looks like the /src/dev/ directory has been removed.  

It's a typo for /dev/src.  :-/

\_ I sent
\_ an email quite a while ago to Kevin Lenzo but never heard back.  But does
\_ anyone know the status of the 0.49 (0.50?) version?

infobot.org/dev/ says that the latest is 0.49_03.

YMMV.

David

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Yup, I remember quite a while ago of 0.49.3 being the latest version, and
I remember Kevin Lenzo saying "a few weeks" until it would be released.  I
essentially dropped out of existance, and it seems like most everyone else
did too... I was just wondering if work was still being done on infobot?

Jay

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 sinck@ugive.com wrote:

> 
> 
> \_ Anyone know what's going on with the status of infobot?  I was just
> \_ looking at it looks like the /src/dev/ directory has been removed.  
> 
> It's a typo for /dev/src.  :-/
> 
> \_ I sent
> \_ an email quite a while ago to Kevin Lenzo but never heard back.  But does
> \_ anyone know the status of the 0.49 (0.50?) version?
> 
> infobot.org/dev/ says that the latest is 0.49_03.
> 
> YMMV.
> 
> David
> 

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Well, keep in mind that I could be totally wrong about this, but I think I
heard someone say that the development was waiting for POE to stabilize
before moving ahead.



> Yup, I remember quite a while ago of 0.49.3 being the latest version, and
> I remember Kevin Lenzo saying "a few weeks" until it would be released.  I
> essentially dropped out of existance, and it seems like most everyone else
> did too... I was just wondering if work was still being done on infobot?
>
> Jay
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 sinck@ugive.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > \_ Anyone know what's going on with the status of infobot?  I was just
> > \_ looking at it looks like the /src/dev/ directory has been removed.
> >
> > It's a typo for /dev/src.  :-/
> >
> > \_ I sent
> > \_ an email quite a while ago to Kevin Lenzo but never heard back.  But
does
> > \_ anyone know the status of the 0.49 (0.50?) version?
> >
> > infobot.org/dev/ says that the latest is 0.49_03.
> >
> > YMMV.
> >
> > David
> >

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i was curious if anyone had any patches that would allow infobot to 
run on a machine that is running perl 5.6, rather than 5.0?


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I've made a number of modifications to v0.44.3 that I think might be
valuable for everyone.	In particular, I rewrote the flood protection and
whatnot so that the bot runs safely on a hostile server.  

The bot, which is "yotz" running on irc.scifi.com has had some behavior
randomized and the stock random responses changed.

I have not looked at the latest dev version to see if any of things I've
done are repeating existing work.

I've mucked with a lot of things, some of which no one else would care
about, so I'm too scared to build a patch file.

I'd be happy to send a tarball to anyone interested, especially Kevin if he 
is indeed alive.

-chorn

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chorn@chorn.com wrote:
> I've made a number of modifications to v0.44.3 that I think might be
> valuable for everyone.	In particular, I rewrote the flood protection and
> whatnot so that the bot runs safely on a hostile server.  
> 
> I'd be happy to send a tarball to anyone interested, especially Kevin if he 
> is indeed alive.

I dunno about anyone else, but the latest set of messages scream ``CVS''
to me.  Oznoid, are ya' out there?  8^)

-- Carl ``Rizz'' Boernecke (carlb@2qwk4u.dmv.com)
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Yeah, I be thinking maybe sourceforge is the way to go.  Has anyone out
there heard anything from Kevin lately?  (I haven't been on irc to look
for him)

purl: seen oznoid?

Jay
(teckle)


On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Cap'n Carl wrote:

> chorn@chorn.com wrote:
> > I've made a number of modifications to v0.44.3 that I think might be
> > valuable for everyone.	In particular, I rewrote the flood protection and
> > whatnot so that the bot runs safely on a hostile server.  
> > 
> > I'd be happy to send a tarball to anyone interested, especially Kevin if he 
> > is indeed alive.
> 
> I dunno about anyone else, but the latest set of messages scream ``CVS''
> to me.  Oznoid, are ya' out there?  8^)
> 
> -- Carl ``Rizz'' Boernecke (carlb@2qwk4u.dmv.com)
>    http://home.dmv.com/~carlb && http://www.nitrous.org/
>    '88 Mazdarati RX-7 : http://members.n2o.org/rizz/rx-7/
> 

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Hi,

I have created a yapc-plan list.  This is the first post.  The 
following people are on it; feel free to add more, but let's
try to keep it from getting too crowded (and noisy :)

In no particular order,

Kevin Lenzo     lenzo@cs.cmu.edu
Leon Brocard    acme@astray.com
Greg McCarroll  greg@mccarroll.demon.co.uk
Kurt DeMaagd    kurt@thepope.org
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Ann Barcomb     ann@domaintje.com
Anonty ....     appu@xs4all.nl
Jouke Visser    jouke@com-bat.nl
Rich Lafferty   rich@alcor.concordia.ca
Luc St-Louis    lucst@sympatico.ca

There are almost certainly important folks i've missed;
just have them subscribe via majordomo@yetanother.org
with the single line in the body 'subscribe yapc-plan'.
You can also unsubscribe through there.

kevin

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This will be fixed in the forthcoming update.

kevin
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I would of posted this to the mailing list but the majordomo won't send me an
auth code.
Using 0.44.3 with the fortran maths enabled opens a security bug in that the
output is sent to the shell so it is possible to get the output of a simple
command (spaces are stripped), for example:
<werdfs> urlbot calc |id|cat|
<urlbot> uid=500(dgl) gid=500(dgl) groups=500(dgl)
<werdfs> urlbot calc |hostname|cat|
<urlbot> titan.dgl.cx

Here is the patch for Math.pl
43c43
<           open(P, "echo '$parm'|bc 2>&1 |");
---
>           open(P, "echo $parm|bc 2>&1 |");

-- 
-=[ David Leadbeater ]-=-[ dgl@dgl.cx ]-=-[ http://dgl.cx/ ]=-

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I'm trying to install infobot on a linux box

I think I configured everything right but when I run infobot here's what 
I get:

leafnode@lunatic:~/infobot-0.44.3$ ./infobot
Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 131, near ">>> $b"
Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 133, near ">>> $b"
Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 152, within string
Compilation failed in require at ./infobot line 39.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./infobot line 42.

I'm not much of a perl guru, any help appreciated

TTimo

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The problem is that on those lines, there is a \ in front of the N. I'm not
sure why, perhaps due to laziness. Anyway, you need to put the variable in
front of it as "${varname}" instead of "$varname" and then take away the \.
(I don't remember the name of the variable in question here... I also seem
to remember that on the last one (152) all you have to do is remove the \
because there is no variable in front of it)

It's happening because in versions of Perl prior to 5.6.0 \N was nothing
special, but now it is.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothee Besset" <timo@qeradiant.com>
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> I'm trying to install infobot on a linux box
>
> I think I configured everything right but when I run infobot here's what
> I get:
>
> leafnode@lunatic:~/infobot-0.44.3$ ./infobot
> Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 131, near ">>> $b"
> Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 133, near ">>> $b"
> Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 152, within string
> Compilation failed in require at ./infobot line 39.
> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./infobot line 42.
>
> I'm not much of a perl guru, any help appreciated
>
> TTimo

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trying to install 0.44.3 on a linux machine with perl 5.6..i'd run into 
some errors previously, and was told that perl 5.0 would be more 
suitable, but fixed them accordingly.  this one just baffles me..any 
help would be appreciated.

admin2:~/infobot-0.44.3$ infobot
[    1] loaded param file ./files/infobot.config (52 items)
[    2] Loaded help file infobot.help
BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: do-lookup.h: 105: 
do_lookup_versioned: Assertion `version->filename == ((void *)0) || ! 
_dl_name_match_p (version->filename, map)' failed!
admin2:~/infobot-0.44.3$ 


     Jared Searles    
 http://cf.ashamed.org 
 jsearles@satx.rr.com 

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Well, the CVS version of the bot is the canonical one
now; it's high time we did another release of it.  There
have been several things fixed.  One thing we might consider
is the (few) changes it might take to make it run under 
Windows... I don't have any machines running windows, but
I imagine just protecting the forks would do it.  Anyone
care to comment on that?  I would be kinda nice to have
that in, but I'm not holding my breath...

kevin

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Is that possible?

I'd like to run several infobots under different user accounts, but 
share a common base (waaaay easier for upgrades and additions..)

TTimo

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I can't get the devel version of the infobot from the web site?

Boiler@lunatic:~$ wget http://www.infobot.org/src/dev/Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz
--11:40:39--  http://www.infobot.org:80/src/dev/Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz
          => `Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz'
Connecting to www.infobot.org:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
11:40:39 ERROR 404: Not Found.

In a recent mail here I heard there was a CVS server, but there's no 
info on infobot.org about it? Just a web site not up-to-date or is it 
misinformation?

regards

TTimo

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http://sourceforge.net/projects/infobot/

there is a link at the bottom to the cvs repository.

I did the original web site, and I don't know if my account is still valid
to make changes.  It probably is, but the password seems to have escaped
my memory.  But yeah, it's just out of date, some things were shifted
around since it's creation and never really updated past that.  I'll drop
a hint to lenzo to see if he could reset that password or something. (hint
dropped).

Jay

On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Timothee Besset wrote:

> I can't get the devel version of the infobot from the web site?
> 
> Boiler@lunatic:~$ wget http://www.infobot.org/src/dev/Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz
> --11:40:39--  http://www.infobot.org:80/src/dev/Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz
>           => `Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz'
> Connecting to www.infobot.org:80... connected!
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> 11:40:39 ERROR 404: Not Found.
> 
> In a recent mail here I heard there was a CVS server, but there's no 
> info on infobot.org about it? Just a web site not up-to-date or is it 
> misinformation?
> 
> regards
> 
> TTimo
> 
> 

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\_ http://sourceforge.net/projects/infobot/
\_ 
\_ there is a link at the bottom to the cvs repository.
\_ [...]
\_ > Boiler@lunatic:~$ wget http://www.infobot.org/src/dev/Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz
\_ > --11:40:39--  http://www.infobot.org:80/src/dev/Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz
\_ >           => `Infobot-0.49_03.tar.gz'
\_ > Connecting to www.infobot.org:80... connected!
\_ > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
\_ > 11:40:39 ERROR 404: Not Found.

IIRC try swapping /src/dev/ to /dev/src/.  YMMV.

David

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Hey guys...just joined.

getting the following error:

Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 131, near ">>> $b"
Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 133, near ">>> $b"
Missing braces on \N{} at ./src/Irc.pl line 152, within string
Compilation failed in require at ./infobot line 39.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./infobot line 42.

I looked at the code, but i'm not sure what I need to do ! thanks for any 
help..

Matt

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What's the best way to send a patch?  I've got a small patch that 
allows "ambivalence" if you do "something+-"

I have other patches that are actually useful (to me).  Is it a good
idea to bring the ideas up on here first as a sanity check, or just go
right ahead and code?

At the moment, the ambivalence patch is linked off a web page as 
"diff -urP" patches.  There are two versions -- one against the 0.44.3
source, and one against the CVS source off sourceforge (checked out
today).  No patch for 0.49.03 yet, though.

Which is the more sensible tree to patch against, or is it better to 
hedge my bets and do all of them?

Sorry for all the questions; the mailing list archive on infobot.org
didn't really clear anything up for me.
-- 
rob partington % rjp@frottage.org % http://frottage.org/rjp/

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**** Command 'international' not recognized.
>>>>  Listing Dept=2E<br>
**** Command 'listing' not recognized.
>>>>  <br>
**** Command '<br>' not recognized.
>>>>  </font></p>
**** Command '</font></p>' not recognized.
>>>>  <p>
**** Command '<p>' not recognized.
>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%">
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  <p align=3D"center"><b><i><font color=3D"#000000">If you
**** Command '<p' not recognized.
>>>>  wish to be removed from our list, please submit
**** Command 'wish' not recognized.
>>>>  your request</font></i></b>
**** Command 'your' not recognized.
>>>>  <br><b><i><font face=3D"Times New
**** Command '<br><b><i><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Roman,Times"><font color=3D"#000000">at the
**** Command 'roman,times"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  bottom of this email=2E</font></font></i></b>
**** Command 'bottom' not recognized.
>>>>  </p>
**** Command '</p>' not recognized.
>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%">
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  <table WIDTH=3D"695" >
**** Command '<table' not recognized.
>>>>  <caption><script language=3D"JavaScript">
**** Command '<caption><script' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <!--
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>>>>  function validate_form() {
**** Command 'function' not recognized.
>>>>    validity =3D true; // assume valid
**** Command 'validity' not recognized.
>>>>    if (!check_empty(document=2Eform=2Ebusphone=2Evalue))
**** Command 'if' not recognized.
>>>>          { validity =3D false; alert('Day Time
**** Command '{' not recognized.
>>>>  Phone field is empty!'); }
**** Command 'phone' not recognized.
>>>>      if (validity)
**** Command 'if' not recognized.
>>>>          alert ("Thank you for your registration!
**** Command 'alert' not recognized.
>>>>  "
**** Command '"' not recognized.
>>>>                  + "Your form is now being passed
**** Command '+' not recognized.
>>>>  to your browser's "
**** Command 'to' not recognized.
>>>>                  + "Mail Delivery Sub-System for
**** Command '+' not recognized.
>>>>  NORMAL"
**** Command 'normal"' not recognized.
>>>>                  + " NON-ENCRYPTED email
**** Command '+' not recognized.
>>>>  delivery=2E"
**** Command 'delivery=2e"' not recognized.
>>>>                  + "  All email addresses are
**** Command '+' not recognized.
>>>>  removed from our system"
**** Command 'removed' not recognized.
>>>>                  + " upon registration=2E  Please
**** Command '+' not recognized.
>>>>  click OK to proceed");
**** Command 'click' not recognized.
>>>>    return validity;
**** Command 'return' not recognized.
>>>>  }
**** Command '}' not recognized.
>>>> 
>>>>  function check_empty(text) {
**** Command 'function' not recognized.
>>>>    return (text=2Elength > 0); // returns false if
**** Command 'return' not recognized.
>>>>  empty
**** Command 'empty' not recognized.
>>>>  }
**** Command '}' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  // -->
**** Command '//' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  </script>
**** Command '</script>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  <!-- CHANGE EMAIL ADDRESS IN ACTION OF FORM -->
**** Command '<!--' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <form name=3D"form"
**** Command '<form' not recognized.
>>>>   method=3D"post"
**** Command 'method=3d"post"' not recognized.
>>>>   action=3D"mailto:bbt9k@verizonmail=2Ecom?SUBJECT=3DInternet Lead"
**** Command 'action=3d"mailto:bbt9k@verizonmail=2ecom?subject=3dinternet' not recognized.
>>>>   enctype=3D"text/plain"
**** Command 'enctype=3d"text/plain"' not recognized.
>>>>   >
**** Command '>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td></td>
**** Command '<td></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td VALIGN=3DTOP COLSPAN=3D"2">
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  <center><b><i><font color=3D"#000000"><font
**** Command '<center><b><i><font' not recognized.
>>>>  size=3D+3>International Executive Guild</font></font></i></b>
**** Command 'size=3d+3>international' not recognized.
>>>>  <br><b><font color=3D"#000000"><font
**** Command '<br><b><font' not recognized.
>>>>  size=3D+2>Registration Form</font></font></b>
**** Command 'size=3d+2>registration' not recognized.
>>>>  <br><b><font color=3D"#000000">(US and Canada
**** Command '<br><b><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Only)</font></b>
**** Command 'only)</font></b>' not recognized.
>>>>  <br>
**** Command '<br>' not recognized.
>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%"></center>
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  </td>
**** Command '</td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td VALIGN=3DTOP COLSPAN=3D"2"><i><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D+0>Please
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  fill out this form if you would like to be
**** Command 'fill' not recognized.
>>>>  included on The International
**** Command 'included' not recognized.
>>>>  Executive Guild, For accuracy and
**** Command 'executive' not recognized.
>>>>  publication purposes, please
**** Command 'publication' not recognized.
>>>>  complete and send this form at the earliest
**** Command 'complete' not recognized.
>>>>  opportunity=2E There is </font>no
**** Command 'opportunity=2e' not recognized.
>>>>  charge or obligation<font size=3D+0> to be listed
**** Command 'charge' not recognized.
>>>>  on The International Executive Guild=2E</font></font></font></i>
**** Command 'on' not recognized.
>>>>  <br>
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>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%"></td>
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td VALIGN=3DTOP></td>
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Your
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Name</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'name</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><input type=3D"text"
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  value size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"250" name=3D"Name"></td>
**** Command 'value' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
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>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Your
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Company</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'company</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><input type=3D"text"
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  value size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"250"
**** Command 'value' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"Company"></td>
**** Command 'name=3d"company"></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  1>Title</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command '1>title</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><input type=3D"text"
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  value size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"250"
**** Command 'value' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"Title"></td>
**** Command 'name=3d"title"></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  1>Address</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command '1>address</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><input type=3D"text"
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  value size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"250"
**** Command 'value' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"Address"></td>
**** Command 'name=3d"address"></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  1>City</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command '1>city</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><input type=3D"text"
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  value size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"250" name=3D"City"></td>
**** Command 'value' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>State
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  or Province</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'or' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><input type=3D"text"
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  value size=3D"12" maxlength=3D"50" name=3D"State"></td>
**** Command 'value' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  1>Country</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command '1>country</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><select
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  NAME=3D"Country" Size=3D"1"><option SELECTED><font
**** Command 'name=3d"country"' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000">USA<option
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000">usa<option' not recognized.
>>>>  SELECTED>Canada</font></select></td>
**** Command 'selected>canada</font></select></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>ZIP/Postal
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Code</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'code</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT VALIGN=3DCENTER WIDTH=3D"300"><input
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  type=3D"text" value size=3D"12" maxlength=3D"50"
**** Command 'type=3d"text"' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"Zip"></td>
**** Command 'name=3d"zip"></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Day
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Time Telephone</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'time' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DLEFT WIDTH=3D"300"><input type=3D"text"
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  value size=3D"22" maxlength=3D"50"
**** Command 'value' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"busphone"></td>
**** Command 'name=3d"busphone"></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td>
**** Command '<td>' not recognized.
>>>>  <div align=3Dright><b><font
**** Command '<div' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"Arial,Helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Home
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Phone</font></font></font></b></div>
**** Command 'phone</font></font></font></b></div>' not recognized.
>>>>  </td>
**** Command '</td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td><input type=3D"text" value size=3D"22"
**** Command '<td><input' not recognized.
>>>>  maxlength=3D"50" name=3D"homephone"><b><font
**** Command 'maxlength=3d"50"' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-2>(Not
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  To Be Published)</font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'to' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td>
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>>>>  <div align=3Dright><b><font
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>>>>  face=3D"Arial,Helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  1>Email</font></font></font></b></div>
**** Command '1>email</font></font></font></b></div>' not recognized.
>>>>  </td>
**** Command '</td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td><input type=3D"text" value size=3D"50"
**** Command '<td><input' not recognized.
>>>>  maxlength=3D"100" name=3D"Email"></td>
**** Command 'maxlength=3d"100"' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td></td>
**** Command '<td></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td></td>
**** Command '<td></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  </table>
**** Command '</table>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <center>
**** Command '<center>' not recognized.
>>>>  <p>
**** Command '<p>' not recognized.
>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%"><b><font
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"ARIAL,HELVETICA"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>TO
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  HELP US IN CONSIDERING YOUR APPLICATION, PLEASE

This help message is being sent to you from the Majordomo mailing list
management system at Majordomo@metronomicon.com.

This is version 1.94.4 of Majordomo.

If you're familiar with mail servers, an advanced user's summary of
Majordomo's commands appears at the end of this message.

Majordomo is an automated system which allows users to subscribe
and unsubscribe to mailing lists, and to retrieve files from list
archives.

You can interact with the Majordomo software by sending it commands
in the body of mail messages addressed to "Majordomo@metronomicon.com".
Please do not put your commands on the subject line; Majordomo does
not process commands in the subject line.

You may put multiple Majordomo commands in the same mail message.
Put each command on a line by itself.

If you use a "signature block" at the end of your mail, Majordomo may
mistakenly believe each line of your message is a command; you will
then receive spurious error messages.  To keep this from happening,
either put a line starting with a hyphen ("-") before your signature,
or put a line with just the word

	end

on it in the same place.  This will stop the Majordomo software from
processing your signature as bad commands.

Here are some of the things you can do using Majordomo:

I.	FINDING OUT WHICH LISTS ARE ON THIS SYSTEM

To get a list of publicly-available mailing lists on this system, put the
following line in the body of your mail message to Majordomo@metronomicon.com:

	lists

Each line will contain the name of a mailing list and a brief description
of the list.

To get more information about a particular list, use the "info" command,
supplying the name of the list.  For example, if the name of the list 
about which you wish information is "demo-list", you would put the line

	info demo-list

in the body of the mail message.

II.	SUBSCRIBING TO A LIST

Once you've determined that you wish to subscribe to one or more lists on
this system, you can send commands to Majordomo to have it add you to the
list, so you can begin receiving mailings.

To receive list mail at the address from which you're sending your mail,
simply say "subscribe" followed by the list's name:

	subscribe demo-list

If for some reason you wish to have the mailings go to a different address
(a friend's address, a specific other system on which you have an account,
or an address which is more correct than the one that automatically appears 
in the "From:" header on the mail you send), you would add that address to
the command.  For instance, if you're sending a request from your work
account, but wish to receive "demo-list" mail at your personal account
(for which we will use "jqpublic@my-isp.com" as an example), you'd put
the line

	subscribe demo-list jqpublic@my-isp.com

in the mail message body.

Based on configuration decisions made by the list owners, you may be added 
to the mailing list automatically.  You may also receive notification
that an authorization key is required for subscription.  Another message
will be sent to the address to be subscribed (which may or may not be the
same as yours) containing the key, and directing the user to send a
command found in that message back to Majordomo@metronomicon.com.  (This can be
a bit of extra hassle, but it helps keep you from being swamped in extra
email by someone who forged requests from your address.)  You may also
get a message that your subscription is being forwarded to the list owner
for approval; some lists have waiting lists, or policies about who may
subscribe.  If your request is forwarded for approval, the list owner
should contact you soon after your request.

Upon subscribing, you should receive an introductory message, containing
list policies and features.  Save this message for future reference; it
will also contain exact directions for unsubscribing.  If you lose the
intro mail and would like another copy of the policies, send this message
to Majordomo@metronomicon.com:

	intro demo-list

(substituting, of course, the real name of your list for "demo-list").

III.	UNSUBSCRIBING FROM MAILING LISTS

Your original intro message contains the exact command which should be
used to remove your address from the list.  However, in most cases, you
may simply send the command "unsubscribe" followed by the list name:

	unsubscribe demo-list

(This command may fail if your provider has changed the way your
address is shown in your mail.)

To remove an address other than the one from which you're sending
the request, give that address in the command:

	unsubscribe demo-list jqpublic@my-isp.com

In either of these cases, you can tell Majordomo@metronomicon.com to remove
the address in question from all lists on this server by using "*"
in place of the list name:

	unsubscribe *
	unsubscribe * jqpublic@my-isp.com

IV.	FINDING THE LISTS TO WHICH AN ADDRESS IS SUBSCRIBED

To find the lists to which your address is subscribed, send this command
in the body of a mail message to Majordomo@metronomicon.com:

	which

You can look for other addresses, or parts of an address, by specifying
the text for which Majordomo should search.  For instance, to find which
users at my-isp.com are subscribed to which lists, you might send the
command

	which my-isp.com

Note that many list owners completely or fully disable the "which"
command, considering it a privacy violation.

V.	FINDING OUT WHO'S SUBSCRIBED TO A LIST

To get a list of the addresses on a particular list, you may use the
"who" command, followed by the name of the list:

	who demo-list

Note that many list owners allow only a list's subscribers to use the
"who" command, or disable it completely, believing it to be a privacy
violation.

VI.	RETRIEVING FILES FROM A LIST'S ARCHIVES

Many list owners keep archives of files associated with a list.  These
may include:
- back issues of the list
- help files, user profiles, and other documents associated with the list
- daily, monthly, or yearly archives for the list

To find out if a list has any files associated with it, use the "index"
command:

	index demo-list

If you see files in which you're interested, you may retrieve them by
using the "get" command and specifying the list name and archive filename.
For instance, to retrieve the files called "profile.form" (presumably a
form to fill out with your profile) and "demo-list.9611" (presumably the
messages posted to the list in November 1996), you would put the lines

	get demo-list profile.form
	get demo-list demo-list.9611

in your mail to Majordomo@metronomicon.com.

VII.	GETTING MORE HELP

To contact a human site manager, send mail to Majordomo-owner@metronomicon.com.
To contact the owner of a specific list, send mail to that list's
approval address, which is formed by adding "-approval" to the user-name
portion of the list's address.  For instance, to contact the list owner
for demo-list@metronomicon.com, you would send mail to demo-list-approval@metronomicon.com.

To get another copy of this help message, send mail to Majordomo@metronomicon.com
with a line saying

	help

in the message body.

VIII.	COMMAND SUMMARY FOR ADVANCED USERS

In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. When
providing the item, do not include the []'s around it.  Items in angle
brackets, such as <address>, are meta-symbols that should be replaced
by appropriate text without the angle brackets.

It understands the following commands:

    subscribe <list> [<address>]
	Subscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) to the named <list>.
	
    unsubscribe <list> [<address>]
	Unsubscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) from the named <list>.
	"unsubscribe *" will remove you (or <address>) from all lists.  This
	_may not_ work if you have subscribed using multiple addresses.

    get <list> <filename>
        Get a file related to <list>.

    index <list>
        Return an index of files you can "get" for <list>.

    which [<address>]
	Find out which lists you (or <address> if specified) are on.

    who <list>
	Find out who is on the named <list>.

    info <list>
	Retrieve the general introductory information for the named <list>.

    intro <list>
	Retrieve the introductory message sent to new users.  Non-subscribers
	may not be able to retrieve this.

    lists
	Show the lists served by this Majordomo server.

    help
	Retrieve this message.

    end
	Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature).

Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to
"Majordomo@metronomicon.com". Multiple commands can be processed provided
each occurs on a separate line.

Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed.

If you have any questions or problems, please contact
"Majordomo-owner@metronomicon.com".

>>>>  TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT
**** Command 'tell' not recognized.
>>>>  YOURSELF=2E=2E=2E</font></font></font></b>
**** Command 'yourself=2e=2e=2e</font></font></font></b>' not recognized.
>>>>  <br>
**** Command '<br>' not recognized.
>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%"></center>
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <center><table WIDTH=3D"81%" >
**** Command '<center><table' not recognized.
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  <td ALIGN=3DRIGHT VALIGN=3DTOP WIDTH=3D"300"><b><font
**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Your
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Business</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'business</font></font></font></b></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td>
**** Command '<td>' not recognized.
>>>>  <div align=3Dright><input type=3D"text" value
**** Command '<div' not recognized.
>>>>  size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"200"
**** Command 'size=3d"50"' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"business"></div>
**** Command 'name=3d"business"></div>' not recognized.
>>>>  <font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font color=3D"#000000"><font
**** Command '<font' not recognized.
>>>>  size=3D-1>(Financial
**** Command 'size=3d-1>(financial' not recognized.
>>>>  Svcs, Banking, Computer Hardware, Software, Professional Svcs,
**** Command 'svcs,' not recognized.
>>>>  Chemicals,
**** Command 'chemicals,' not recognized.
>>>>  Apparel, Aerospace, Food, Government, Utility,
**** Command 'apparel,' not recognized.
>>>>  etc=2E)</font></font></font></td>
**** Command 'etc=2e)</font></font></font></td>' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <tr>
**** Command '<tr>' not recognized.
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**** Command '<td' not recognized.
>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Type
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  of Organization</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'of' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <td>
**** Command '<td>' not recognized.
>>>>  <div align=3Dright><input type=3D"text" value size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"25=
**** Command '<div' not recognized.
>>>> 0"
**** Command '0"' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"Orgtype"></div>
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>>>>  <font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>(M=
**** Command '<font' not recognized.
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**** Command 'fg,' not recognized.
>>>>  Dist/Wholesaler, Retailer, Law Firm,</font></font></font>
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>>>>  <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font color=3D"#000000"><font
**** Command '<br><font' not recognized.
>>>>  size=3D-1>Investment
**** Command 'size=3d-1>investment' not recognized.
>>>>  Bank, Commercial Bank, University,</font></font></font>
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>>>>  etc=2E)</font></font></font></td>
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>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font
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>>>>  Business Expertise</font></font></font></b></div>
**** Command 'business' not recognized.
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>>>>  <td>
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**** Command 'size=3d-1>(corp=2emgmt,' not recognized.
>>>>  Marketing, Civil Engineering,</font></font></font>
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>>>> 1>Tax
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>>>>  
>>>>  Law, Nuclear Physics, Database Development, Operations, Pathologist,
**** Command 'law,' not recognized.
>>>>  Mortgage
**** Command 'mortgage' not recognized.
>>>>  Banking, etc=2E)</font></font></font></td>
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>>>>  <tr>
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>>>>  face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command 'face=3d"arial,helvetica"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Major
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Product Line</font></font></font></b></td>
**** Command 'product' not recognized.
>>>> 
>>>>  <td>
**** Command '<td>' not recognized.
>>>>  <div align=3Dright><input type=3D"text" value size=3D"50" maxlength=3D"25=
**** Command '<div' not recognized.
>>>> 0"
**** Command '0"' not recognized.
>>>>  name=3D"product"></div>
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>>>>  <font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font color=3D"#000000"><font
**** Command '<font' not recognized.
>>>>  size=3D-1>(Integrated
**** Command 'size=3d-1>(integrated' not recognized.
>>>>  Circuits, Commercial Aircraft, Adhesives, Cosmetics, Plastic Components,
**** Command 'circuits,' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  Snack Foods, etc=2E)</font></font></font></td>
**** Command 'snack' not recognized.
>>>>  </tr>
**** Command '</tr>' not recognized.
>>>>  </table></center>
**** Command '</table></center>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  <center>
**** Command '<center>' not recognized.
>>>>  <p><input NAME=3D"submit" TYPE=3D"submit" VALUE=3D" Submit By E-Mail "><i=
**** Command '<p><input' not recognized.
>>>> nput
**** Command 'nput' not recognized.
>>>>  NAME=3D"reset" TYPE=3D"reset" VALUE=3D" Clear Form "></form>
**** Command 'name=3d"reset"' not recognized.
>>>>  <br><b><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Note: Submitting this form=
**** Command '<br><b><font' not recognized.
>>>> 
>>>>  will
**** Command 'will' not recognized.
>>>>  be made by email, not by use of&nbsp; www=2E&nbsp; Confirmation of its de=
**** Command 'be' not recognized.
>>>> livery
**** Command 'livery' not recognized.
>>>>  is made by browsing your outgoing mail=2E</font></font></b>
**** Command 'is' not recognized.
>>>>  <br>
**** Command '<br>' not recognized.
>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%"><b><i><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  color=3D"#000000"><font
**** Command 'color=3d"#000000"><font' not recognized.
>>>>  size=3D-1>Thank
**** Command 'size=3d-1>thank' not recognized.
>>>>  you for filling in this form, we will contact you with more
**** Command 'you' not recognized.
>>>>  information=2E</font></font></font></i></b>
**** Command 'information=2e</font></font></font></i></b>' not recognized.
>>>>  <br>
**** Command '<br>' not recognized.
>>>>  <hr WIDTH=3D"100%">
**** Command '<hr' not recognized.
>>>>  <br><b><font size=3D+1>List
**** Command '<br><b><font' not recognized.
>>>>  Removal</font></b>
**** Command 'removal</font></b>' not recognized.
>>>>  <br><b><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1><a
**** Command '<br><b><font' not recognized.
>>>>  href=3D"mailto:sabt@surfy=2Enet?subject=3Dremove">Click
**** Command 'href=3d"mailto:sabt@surfy=2enet?subject=3dremove">click' not recognized.
>>>>  Here</a></font></font></b></center>
**** Command 'here</a></font></font></b></center>' not recognized.
>>>>  
>>>>  </body>
**** Command '</body>' not recognized.
>>>>  </html>
**** Command '</html>' not recognized.
>>>> 
>>>> ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0--
**** Command '------=_nextpart_001_0080_01bdf6c7.fabac1b0--' not recognized.
>>>> 
>>>> ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0--
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Hi,

I would just like to know if what ALL the commands
are that you can change on the fly with the infobot.
I noticed in the config files it states that you can change
the bots addressing mode on the fly (This command is
The one I'm most interested in)

Thx
Lee

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I'd vote for a summary of the patches on the list at least... like what
exactly is the "ambivalence" patch?  What are the other things you've come
up with?

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Rob Partington wrote:

> What's the best way to send a patch?  I've got a small patch that 
> allows "ambivalence" if you do "something+-"
> 
> I have other patches that are actually useful (to me).  Is it a good
> idea to bring the ideas up on here first as a sanity check, or just go
> right ahead and code?
> 
> At the moment, the ambivalence patch is linked off a web page as 
> "diff -urP" patches.  There are two versions -- one against the 0.44.3
> source, and one against the CVS source off sourceforge (checked out
> today).  No patch for 0.49.03 yet, though.
> 
> Which is the more sensible tree to patch against, or is it better to 
> hedge my bets and do all of them?
> 
> Sorry for all the questions; the mailing list archive on infobot.org
> didn't really clear anything up for me.
> -- 
> rob partington % rjp@frottage.org % http://frottage.org/rjp/
> 

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I'm looking into adding support for faqomatic 
(http://faqomatic.sourceforge.net) to the infobot. Just for information, 
did anyone attempt this already? Is there some code I could start from? 
(I want to do something very simple, let the bot do a search on the 
faqomatic and report results .. maybe later teach it how to add new entries)

TTimo

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well, you could get the source on sourceforge.  But I must admit, I'm a
little miffed as to purpose of the task.  If you want to do a search on
some predefined faq page, why not go the other way, and import faqomatic
things into infobot's brains?  ...and then have a faq page that interfaces
into infobot's brains?  I didn't really dig into faqomatic, but it seems
to do what infobot does, just more webby and less smart.  I should
probably spend more time looking at faqomatic before making judgements
though...

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Timothee Besset wrote:

> I'm looking into adding support for faqomatic 
> (http://faqomatic.sourceforge.net) to the infobot. Just for information, 
> did anyone attempt this already? Is there some code I could start from? 
> (I want to do something very simple, let the bot do a search on the 
> faqomatic and report results .. maybe later teach it how to add new entries)
> 
> TTimo
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I don't want to use the factoids stuff. We have a faqomatic running and
filled with stuff already. I think it's better that the faqomatic
knowledge remains where it is and that the bot can be used to query info
from there. Specially that the bot and the faq are not living on the
same machines. The way I want to use it is just ask the bot to do a
search on the faq, return a summary of what it finds.

TTimo

Jay Jacobs wrote:

 > well, you could get the source on sourceforge.  But I must admit, I'm a
 > little miffed as to purpose of the task.  If you want to do a search on
 > some predefined faq page, why not go the other way, and import faqomatic
 > things into infobot's brains?  ...and then have a faq page that 
interfaces
 > into infobot's brains?  I didn't really dig into faqomatic, but it seems
 > to do what infobot does, just more webby and less smart.  I should
 > probably spend more time looking at faqomatic before making judgements
 > though...
 >
 > On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Timothee Besset wrote:
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 >> I'm looking into adding support for faqomatic
 >> (http://faqomatic.sourceforge.net) to the infobot. Just for 
information,
 >> did anyone attempt this already? Is there some code I could start from?
 >> (I want to do something very simple, let the bot do a search on the
 >> faqomatic and report results .. maybe later teach it how to add new 
entries)
 >>
 >> TTimo
 >>
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is there a interactive trivia addon for the infobot or no?

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0.44.5

Push ./src onto the path so Util.pm gets in.
New Airport.pl replaces METAR2 with a lot nicer stuff.
  mendel++.  Very nice example of a module with forking, 
  etc.
Fixed excuse.pl's return codes.
Roderick++'s extensive factoid locking patches for 
  sharing DBs between infobots.
Added scripts/make_snap and scripts/restore_snap , which
  make and restore ASCII snapshots of the databases, 
  respectively.  This is good to do periodically as a
  backup.
Added stockquote.pl to get stock quotes (LotR++) and added
  a boolean parameter ('stockquotes') to turn it on or off.
Fixed a bug in the http proxy in the RDF fetching code (LotR++)
Messages no longer record the apparent last channel 
  when given in private.
Changed src/excuse.pl to guard against the server being 
  down, though i'm afraid the server is never going
  to come back up.
Cleaned extra white space off the end of parameter values
  during the read of the config file.
Currency exchance is now case-insensetive.
There were several other small bugfixes that didn't make it
  into this file during a move.  

0.44.4

Removed 'factpacks' subdirectory.  These packs are all on 
    the web site (http://www.infobot.org), and more.
Tidying of purldoc code.
Tidying of W3Search triggers
Tidying of IMDB, Websters, etc.
Splitting lines in say()/msg()
HTTP proxy support
Little tidying of the Math code.
More informative return values from Process
Better support for `no, $nick, ...' 
Much increased `tell' support
perlfaq' support: uses RSS to get faqtoids from perlfaqprime
Much needed fixes to Zippy factoids
Babelfish rewritten
Net::Telnet timeout fix to insult
Fixed `exchange' typo in infobot.config.
\| for quoting pipes in factoids, Avi++
Added the channels patch. infobot.channels now sets channel-specific 
    options. The format is pretty much the same as the users file.
Documented all the extensions.
Fixed the `eval' command, which you shouldn't be using anyway.
Removed spurious line breaks in Zippy's data.
The `msgonly' parameter, if set, will see a question on channel and
    respond to it via /msg
The `continuity' parameter controls how many seconds must elapse before
    the infobot assumes you have stopped addressing it. Set this to 0,
    and the infobot will never assume that it is being addressed.
Added a warning to Babel.pl if target language is `en'
Close `karma' and `seen' databases in &killed, now karma doesn't
    get reset.

0.44.3

NOTE: You must update WWW::Search to the latest version
    for the Google search to work.
NOTE: As usual, the new features (mostly) have new
    parameters that need to be defined in 
    files/infobot.config -- to update, you'll need
    to move your dbm files into the new source
    tree and edit infobot.config.  this is the best way.
Made return values from myRoutines.pl said or messaged
    rather than using &say and &msg inside myRoutines.
    Use 'NOREPLY' to override this if you want to
    use msg and/or say yourself (such as in a callback
    or when forking).
Moved the current myRoutines.pl file to a file called
    Extras.pl.  myRoutines.pl is reserved for local
    user extensions, and Extras.pl is now where the
    add-ons in the distribution are.  They both 
    behave the same as the old myRoutines.pl did.
    Extras is called after myRoutines.
Moved several redirects out of Reply.pl and into Extras.
Added 'literal' query -- 'literal foo' will show the
    factoid for the key foo, with tags and |s literally.
Added RDF/RSS support (LotR++) in RDF.pl.  Uses the tag 
    <rss="http://path/to/rdf/file"> and replaces it in-line.
    RSS is RDF Site Summary; many sites now use this
    standard format to encode their headlines/topics.
    Requires XML::RSS.
Added currency exchange module (exchange.pl) from 
    bobby@bofh.dk (thanks!)
Added excuse module (excuse.pl), also from bobby@bofh.dk!
Added 'purldoc' -- ^Masque++ -- which searches through
    perl FAQ question titles.
Removed usair module. They changed the interface and
    this should just be re-written more gerally.
Added support for Zippy.pl, which provides Zippy witticisms. 
    i made it require to be addressed. "infobot, yow" or 
    "infobot, be zippy" is the trigger.  (mendel++)
    the parameter is "zippy" in infobot.config. 
Added 'divine (.*)', a magic 8-ball (boojum++)


